Thanks heaps for the detailed instructions. Thanks Jimmy. You can get away with lighter gauge wire for the mains connection to the PID, as the PID draws very little current. If the wiring was done correctly, the PID should power up when the Classic is turned on. Its pretty straightforward. under the name replacement PID kit parts with very low prices. Awesome PID installation guide! If its closed it takes longer for temperatures to drop, but still goes to 102 before the it power cycles. Thanks for the great guide. Run two 12 volt wires from the + and terminals of the solid state relay and out the back of the Classic, again using the same slot. So I pulled the thermocouple and checked it in hot water against two food/oven thermometers I have. I was like WTF. You are right, its an M4 thread, not M3. The LED on the SSR is functioning but no current can be seen. Does anybody have a Shades of Coffee pdf for the brew and steam setup on the gaggia classic, mines a 1998 classic coffee model, it would be much appreciated. https://wiki.wholelattelove.com/File:GAGGIA_CLASSIC_2019_Wiring_Schematic.pdf 7. Most thermocouple calibration articles that I have read use ice water to calibrate to zero degrees C because the boiling point of water varies with altitude. This PID controller kit has all the features of our other listing titled "PID temperature control kit for PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic & Home, KIT-GG", with the addition of pre-infusion and steam temperature control. Specifications : It really pays off to assume nothing, and test everything. Hi Nish. Thanks in advance for any reply! I also think that you may have less difficulty reaching the thermostat, the 2019+ models have a lot less room to spare inside. I have an old Gaggia Carezza (uses the Gaggia / SaecoEF0030/A Boiler). Then use the left/right buttons to select the digits to increase and decrease, and the up/down buttons to change the digits. We have an earth leakage wiring system in our house, but in many countries, these are not standard. Locked Topic Sticky Topic . So this suggests that the machine is getting much hotter and I reduced the the set point to 95deg from your recommendation of 103degC. Thanks for the PID info. Others have managed to also install the PID horizontally and cut out a hole in the side of the GC, but that still requires replacing the water filler funnel. Ive been hearing the solenoid valve click several times while on steam mode as well, and the group head releasing steam on occasions, which also make me worry in terms of the wiring, or the parts just need replacement. It looks like your GC is in steam mode. I am now waiting for my PID unit and thermocouple with M4 head to arrive this week. The only cable arrangement I had to change after installing the PID was switching those cables in the back, the one on the top I had to put in the bottom, and the one on the bottom in the top, otherwise the PID would stay on when the machine was off, and off when the machine was on. The enclosures purpose is first to protect you from the mains current, and second, to make it easier to attach the PID to the Gaggia. Even though the wires are insulated, as someone posted earlier, that metal is sharp and the vibration from the machine may eventually cause the insulation to fail and then your whole machine is a conductor. Hi Jeff. Again, as above, run this cable out the back, and leave it unterminated and longer than needed. There is no 12v anywhere in the GCP, its all mains power inside. The same can be done with the REX C100 but you need one with all 8 screw terminals (the second SSR for steam uses the alarm function which needs terminals #6 and #7) and these two are missing on some REXs. Then I realized that EU models come not with a bistable rocker switch but a momentary one (so electricity flows only when you actively pushing the button). Thanks in advance. This product was added to our catalog on Friday 12 August, 2011. The C-100 can accommodate only one sensor/SSR, so you would only set it for brew temperature. on orders over $49. Disconnect the two connectors from the brew thermostat, which is located on the bottom left-hand side of the boiler as you face the machine. What you describe looks very much like the steam thermostat cycle. And anything is going to be a huge improvement over the thermostat that the PID replaces. Steam will still be controlled by the steam thermostat. Its not hard if you know what you are doing and there is at least one youtube vid showing how its done. Always work with the Classic unplugged. -. I installed an Auber PID on my Gaggia Classic earlier this year. Temperature unit. It will improve the consistency of the brewing even if you didn't tamp the coffee perfectly. Hi Murat. After autotuning, my values are: Im so thankful for this. great article !!!! Thanks! Mounting Dimension: DIN: 1/16 (48mmX48mmX80mm) So there is more or less no concern about PID heat and the PID enclosure. However I dont know if my unit is properly calibrated and/or has a proper offset. 100% Positive Feedback. Because the wiring connections can vary between manufacturers, you should bench-test your setup before final assembly. Also really awesome write up. I think this would be the most important parameter of the build, obtaining the correct temp of the water. You should see no or very low voltage between neutral and ground, and you should see household voltage between the hot/load and ground. Otherwise, it all works properly now. Power input. 0. PID Control Kit for Rancilio Silvia Espresso Machine, White LED $164.99. (To be certain, the M4 is the correct one). Your Gaggia would be in steam mode by default, you would never have to switch on steam mode. Greatly improved the taste and the consistency of brewed espresso shot. I like the quality of the shots, and temperature consistency is more important to me than pressure consistency. I did not use a grommet. Final note: before going down the PID route, the easiest modification to make, and the best starting point for Gaggia Classic modifications, is lowering the brew pressure. If you have never done this before, know that you are working with live household current, and this can kill you. Apart from that, when I turn on steam mode, the thermostat takes temperature in the machine around 151c-152c, it doesnt turn on again after it goes down to 102C, then turns on and repeats the cycle. If your connection is down to just a few strands, that will generate heat. This kit doesn't control the steam temperature nor has the pre-infusion function. and I didnt work straight through, but I would say the PID took me about 2 hours, not counting the down time due to the crossed power wires. Is there an easy way to set a brewing and steam temp? Thanks a lot for the answer. LED display color. I think this is why using a separate SSR and controller is the only way to go. Which Auber PID for Gaggia Classic? Pressure control could be super nice to have. However with the new steaming alarm system, I get a decrease around 10 degrees in steaming temperature as soon as AA SSR shuts down the boiler at the temperature I set, even it turns on right away (my setting is AL:156 AH:155 degrees Celcius). I plan to do this shortly for my old gaggia classic. The 12 volt wires from the SSR connect to terminals 4 and 5. Gaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the, PID temperature control kit for PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic & Home, KIT-GG, How to Download Manuals for Login-Required Kits, USB LCD PID Temp Controller with Timer, Ramp Soak Optional RS485, Silicone Braided Cable for PT100-L Series Probe, 12 ft, Water-Resistant 3-Pin Connector, Rear Mount, Round Flange Socket, (For orders placed recently in 2022) If you placed the order as a guest, you cantry the, (For orders placed a while ago) Please log in and download the manual from your order history page. View Product Information. Adding pre-infusion would require either a different and significantly more sophisticated PID, or integration with something like a microcontroller. The KIT-GG PID controller kit replaces the function of the mechanical coffee thermostat. ). The best part is I am only in about $40 on my kit compared to around $150 for the pre made kits. 3. To be clear, a PID can increases the likelihood of a consistent starting temperature. Hi Miguel. Also some pids come with a built in relay. I would like to use it for steaming ONLY. But nothing prevents you from using the PID and thermocouple as a temperature indicator. Thank you. Please see the compatible model list below (Note 1 on the bottom). My only concern is that Mr Shades has two types of SSR units 40AA and 40DA. Its getting very hot indeed so turned it off. I found this M8 female to M4 male reducer: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284317077676. I had no problem with my mod other than the stickers on the back of the PID were reversed, so the terminal markings were not correct. 6 Reviews (6) $326.00. Im sorry about that, Eric. Hi Jun, glad you found this helpful. This guide should generally also apply to the 2013 GC, but you must assume that any of the switch wiring that I describe will be different for your model year. Hi, thanks for the articely, it was great help to do the initial steps. The PID will show the temperature, and be somewhat confused by its inability to reach its setpoint, however the PID is bypassed in the same way when the GCP is in steam mode. When the steam switch is on, the PID stays on but because the boiler temperature in steam mode is much higher than the brew temperature of the PID, the PID provides no power to the SSR and heating element. Only needs 2 x AAA batteries. share. Each segmentcan be set by the user with 0.1 seconds resolution. Between SSR and PID I was planning on using 22 awg wire given its a lower power requirement. But Ive downloaded the wiring diagram for my machine. Leave this cable longer than needed for now, it will be trimmed and terminated later. Not sure why that was the case. Tap the neutral mains: disconnect the lower wire from the mains connector at the back of the Classic. Does the wiring youve supplied automatically shut the PID unit off when you engage the steam switch? And this is the thermometer out the back. Here are some pictures of the Lego enclosure: https://www.reddit.com/r/espresso/comments/owpfe7/i_made_a_lego_enclosure_for_rex_c100_pid/. D 9. Im thinking Id like to start with just a temperature indicator, to assist with the surfing. Based on several comments, the wiring varies between units, even though they are the same model. Never used a K type so I cant say for sure. Have had the parts sitting around for months and no time to install! You need at least 20 amps. Read More. Always double-check your specific models wiring terminal layout and numbering scheme. My install went as smooth as I hoped all my wire colours and locations were identical to yours (Phewf). But that also seems fiddly. Circuit diagram of Gaggia Classic with the KIT-GG connection. shades uses 2 connecting one ssr thru the other for steam. You can mod the XMT7100 yourself but it requires soldering on the PCB, basically removing the onboard relay and then jumpering the empty terminals. Update:This kit is compatible with the latestGaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the regular version (RI9380, 120V, or 240V) and the European version (RI9480, 240V). Double check that this is the neutral! I deliberately avoided looking at the Mr Shades kits and instructions when I wrote this article, I dont want to steer people away from them. The preinfusion thing is a bit ridiculous, it just turns your pump on, off and on again. Thermocouple: J,S,K,E,Wre3 ~ Wre25 have you had any issues with the k type or have heard of this? You can search on Reddit, a few people have made these modifications. My plan is to install the Rex C100 first using your instructions. I'd like to increase the brew temp a couple of degrees but have no idea how to do this. Check for wire that might have been too aggressively stripped, where some of the conductor might have also been cut away. Hi Anton. Autotuning had resulted in shot instability up to 10 degrees during a shot probably because conditions during standby and during brewing are very different than each other. Heat the shrink tubing. Have you checked the temperature accuracy of your PID & Thermocouple? Just leave the SSR disconnected, or dont install it at all. Shades and Auber Instruments. I also checked to ensure that the physical steam switch is functioning correctly and the circuit is broken when it is off. Supposed to be faster in detecting temperature changes and more accurate with the measurement. Plug in a mains-rated wire connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original neutral cable into the piggyback. Not really preinfusion, just an excellent way to crack the puck before your shot starts. And once you start considering adding in a power supply, you might as well go for a PID. Thanks for your reply: I think you are correct about the Gc being stuck in steam mode, but I never touched the steam switchs wires and reverting the top/bottom swap on the power switch didnt solve the issue. Youre giving up one of the two temperature readouts, so youll probably only see the actual temperature, as opposed to the target temperature, and I guess you can switch between the two with a button press. $375.00. The PID gives you consistency. Close. It should work as a replacement for the C-100 and SSR, but because the SSR is built into the PID, so your wiring will be a bit different. Please let us know if theres a way to show our gratitude if theres a charity or cause we can donate to for you putting this guide together. The kit is compatible with both 110VAC and 240VAC power. For espresso, 9 bars is the generally preferred pressure. When the ">" key is pressed, the controller starts the brewing sequence automatically. Jun 25, 2014 - Auber Instruments, Inc. PID KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home, Pre-infusion [KIT-GGP] - Update: This kit is compatible with the latest Gaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the regular version (RI9380, 120V, or 240V) and the European version (RI9480, 240V). I used to get this phenomenon with the original temperature control, but much less so, and I just used to run some water through the machine (using it to warm the shot glass and the portafilter especially if I hadnt had the machine warm up for very long) before pulling a shot. My question is where did you place the SSR, is it near the water spout, right side or in the back if you are facing the front of the machine? You should be done! I want to get a PID for my GC. If you also need features such as steam temperature control, pre-infusion, and countdown timer, please checkKIT-GGPpre-infusion kit. as a cheap indicator to assist with surfing. Thoughts & musings from a product developer and manager. Would you be able to post starting values for the PID kit please? The thermostat is a replacement, the original one burned around three years ago. Resetting or Taking out a Brewing Unit for Cleaning. My Gaggia Classic uses 18 awg wire for every connection inside. Do you think that REX-C100FK02-V*EN (designed for K-type thermocouple) is compatible with RTD (PT100) and is not going to create long-term problems with the machine/setup? Thanks, David. Users can see the boiler temperature on the PID controller directly and also easily adjust the brew water temperature to suit their own tastes. The PID, RTD sensor and SSR (20 Amps) are installed on Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+. Hi Chris. If in doubt, sit it out, and get some help. Perhaps you are refering to the video by Damian Witonski. Thats an awesome enclosure. Gaggia Babila. Hello Chris, 3: For owners of the Gaggia Classic ProRI9380 240Vversion, please check the installation guide "KIT-GG_Classic Pro US 120V_Installation". Since I cant control that, if you want to use it, you will have to parse the data: each line, after the headings, should start with the PID parameter (P, I, D) followed by the reaction of the controller. I have only been drinking milk drinks and americanos because the shots I was pulling were always overly bitter, sour, or both, regardless of grind and quantity. Useful link. I opted to follow my connections according to your picture, rather than that text. Im in North America btw. I recently acquired a Gaggia Classic with an Auber PID controller installed. Upgrade your Gaggia Classic with the Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia. Auber Forum PID Kits for Coffee Machines PID Kits for Gaggia; Poll Moved Topic. Id really love to do the install, however I have ZERO experience in electrical installation. Feel free to hang out, learn a bit, meditate, ride a bike, or perhaps it's just time to move on. One question, Ever thought about adding a pre infusion feature? 103 or 105 is good. Bliss. It did take a few rounds to get it right, but it was successfully installed and functioning for a few months. (I am not testifying to the quality of the shots! Most likely they will have the same connector types as the REX-C100, but its always possible that you will need different connectors depending on what you end up ordering. However I now need to connect steaming and brewing circuits in parallel rather than serial because steaming circuit will not be closed unless I turn on steaming switch and supply power to steaming SSR. Is there a way to calibrate the read out close to the water out temperature. Select the preferred temperature unit so that all parameters are pre-set properly for you. For the Gaggia Classic, taking into account the temperature drop between the boiler and the group head (5-8 degrees C), the PID target temperature should be set to about 103 degrees C or 220 degrees F at sea level. Once these bolts are removed, the boiler can be moved around without having to disconnect any hoses or wires. If you need to replace the PID controller, please contact us. We ship every business day from our two warehouses located in Milton, Ontario and . Likewise, you can use 22 awg for the connection between the PID and the SSR. Here are a couple of examples: Hi Chris, Pull the cover assembly off by pulling upwards, and disconnect the ground cables. While the steam switch is engaged, the PID serves to provide a temperature reading of the boiler, which is great, because you can use that temperature reading to time when to start steaming for maximum steam performance. I have installed the supply cable for PID unit using piggyback spade connectors. For me I start steaming when the boiler temperature reads 130 degrees C. So for others who are contemplating going for the extra effort of installing the steam PID, know that the return on investment of doing this is questionable, if not net negative. Or is the only power available from the mains? In the text it says M4, but on the picture, it highlights to use the M3. PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic European Model RI9403 [KIT-GGX-EU] Auber Instruments, Temperature control solutions for home and industry. Hi Chris, Ive followed these instructions exactly (thank you for your thoroughness) except for how the mains were tapped: I moved the two wires terminating on the bottom of the power switch to the top, and tapped them (as per another guide). Unblocking Solenoid Valve-Classic and Baby. . 100% Upvoted. Re-attach the boiler with the four bolts, re-attach the steam wand, push on the steam knob, and put the lid assembly back on, without forgetting to re-connect the two ground wires. QB-T7200 48*24mm Programmable Digital PID Temperature Controller with Built-in 5A Solid State Relay XMT7100 AC/DC85~260V. Maybe this could serve instead of trying to find an M4 thermocouple. If the PID stays on when wired directly to mains power, you will need to figure out which power wire to tap into. I guess I could revert the machine and see what I get. All other variables aside, once you get a temperature that gives you the results you want, you will be able to get those results again, and again. Some shops are quoting $80.00 for the PID enclosure + lid. I still have one question you may be able to answer. Brass is soft and easy to drill, and all the adapter needs to do is provide a connection between the thermocouple and the boiler, so there would be no hard in doing this. and its definately better than Auber which is NOT preinfustion by kicking off solenoid. You effectively would have two steam modes, one PID-controlled that replaces the brew mode, and one classic thermostat-controlled steam mode. Unfortunately, no, you cant use the factory sensor. If anyone is 3d printing the enclosure and doesnt want to tape or otherwise attach it to the Gaggia, I have made these small hooks that can be glued on to the enclosure: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4938828. I did that exercise before installing the PID, behavior should be identical as that time. Make sure that all the new and repositioned wires are cleanly routed away from the boiler and pump and any uninsulated connectors. Contrary to the Gaggia circuit diagram, Black is live, White is neutral, a minor issue. Hi Jeff. Then use the cursor keys to select the digits to increase and decrease. I went with an insulated PT100. My experience, and that of others including a commenter on this article, is that I would not want to go lower than 103 on the Gaggia Classic. The Auber pretends to add a couple of things, but functionally, they're very much the same. Then the PID will only switch on when the boiler temperature drops below the target temperature. [KIT-GG] Auber Instruments, Temperature control solutions for. Run this wire along the rest of the existing cables and out the back of the Classic, through one of the vent slots. New to the forums, but I've been experimenting with espresso at home over the last year when my brother gifted me a used Gaggia Classic with an Auber PID. No extra button is needed to press for frothing. So far the temp range Ive seen when the heater cycles on/off (after ~30 mins of warming up) is ~90C to ~97C. Hi Chris, This will give the REX-C100 enough time to auto-tune its PID settings for the boiler. Required fields are marked *. It will depend on the beans you use, and your palate. Hi Chris, I appreciate your tutorials on the PID install. Plug in a mains-rated cable connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original switched mains cable into the piggyback. The Gaggia Classic is a very capable espresso machine that gets even better with a couple of improvements. The default target temperature on the PID will almost certainly not be correct. I can actually taste the sweetness for the first time. Did you try with the SSR unit 40 DA or 40AA? sv4mzu 20, 2022 8:05 am. Hi Kraken. After the kit is installed, the standby brew watertemperaturecan be controlled to within 1 (F or C) accuracy. I have noticed after PID installation that upper cup holder tray is getting quite hot during 8-10 min warm-up, which was not the case when I was using the original GCP setup. Allow easy adjustment on the coffee water temperature. Its no secret that the chassis of the Classic has extremely sharp edges. Run-program does a 1s pre-infuse followed by about 1s pause, then 30s pump on. Gaggia Classic Coffee Machine Modelo 3D TurboSquid 1036412. I am glad this article helped. Although this is optional, it is difficult to access the power switch to tap power for the PID, and it is almost impossible to reach the thermostat without moving the boiler, and the boiler cant be moved unless the steam wand is removed. The C-100 will fit in vertically, with the screen facing up. The PID is really converting the mains voltage to 12VDC both for its internal operation and to drive the SSR, so the PIDs draw is quite small. Hi Paul. MY GC does the same thing, the pump tone changes when the boiler is heating. In your paragraph for connecting the thermocouple, you write thermocouple connects to terminals 6 and 7. August 05, 2019, 11:46:38 PM . It will void your warranty, the possibility for making errors or breaking things during installation is too high, and the amount of time it takes would make it cost prohibitive. New - Gaggia Classic Pro/2019 PID kit - 1/32DIN single display $135.30 SHIPPING: We load new stock of PIDs on a Sunday, and they sell out very quickly (often within a few hours). This is the only concern left for me. I strongly suggest checking which switch terminal switches the mains. Its not elegant, but does the job to give you a pretty good relative temperature to aid your temp surfing. Realized with your last comment you dont have the offset in place, my bad. Heres a picture of the screws I used, with screwdriver for scale: Great article and development, congrats! The steam temperature controlallows the boiler temperature to be held at a tighter range during frothing. I was able to create one using Lego bricks sitting around in the basement. If you really want to avoid the heating element switching while youre pulling a shot, you can blip the steam switch for a few seconds before brewing and that will bring the boiler temperature up a few degrees. You can use the sensor reading on the PID display to know when to start steaming. Ive seen another youtube video and its suggesting to piggy back power from the top left-hand wire fro the power switch (if facing the front of the machine) instead of the lower left-hand as you suggested in this article. I have briefly thought about pre-infusion but the REX C-100 is not capable of this. These wires will be connected to the solid state relay later on, so they no longer need to be in the bottom of the machine. Because there is very little information on how to install a PID on the latest generation of the New Classic (2018 and newer, also called the Gaggia Classic Pro in North America), here are instructions on to do this. Ive followed these instructions and installed the mod using the REX-C100, SSR, K-type thermocouple and brass adapter linked in Chris excellent writeup (Thank you Chris). Thanks again for all your support. I placed the SSR toward the left side of the back panel if facing the front of the machine. Might be easier for most folks to buy an M4 screw, type K, thermocouple direct vs trying to get the probe version then another adapter. Do I need to make any adjustments to your procedure to make the PID handle the steam only (not caring about the group head)? 102 is even 3 degrees below my brew temperature. It doesnt matter which thermostat wire is connected to which of the AC terminals on the solid state relay. if i understood not adding a steam will give better steam? Hi Chris or anyone who may know the answer! Ive tried connecting these in various combinations but the PV readout is 3 or 4. Hi Chris, i noticed you used the K type thermocouple with the M4. I actually installed mine and then saw your thread, which is awesome to see other people using the same PID. The operation is the same as the unmodified Gaggia machine. To find the neutral inside the GC, you have to test using a multimeter or voltage meter. PID Kits for Gaggia; Jump to . Instruction Manual: The instruction manual & installation documents areonly available for download for customers who already purchased the kit. It would also be a bit of a weird machine, but this approach wouldnt require any mods or re-setting of temperatures to use the machine to brew. Thanks for the quick reply. 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